Процессоры и материнские платы "первого" и "второго" поколений LGA1151 (Skylake, Kaby Lake, Intel *170/*270 ) несовместимы с процессорами (Cofee Lake) и материнскими платами LGA1151 "третьего" поколения (Intel *370/*390)!Технически - способы есть, но осуществляется это модификацией на аппаратном уровне и несёт риск порчи оборудования. Часть информации можно почерпнуть здесь (на английском), здесь (на английском), здесь (на русском) и здесь (на русском). Запускаем I9-9900K на Asus Z270 Maximus IX Apex
При обсуждении просьба соблюдать правила как Конференции, так и раздела "Материнские платы".
Кратко: запрещены: фанатство, флуд, в т.ч. ссоры и переходы на личности, оффтоп не по теме, картинки общим объемом свыше 200 кБ или шириной более 800 пикселей выкладываем в виде превью ("О выкладке изображений в собщениях в Конференции."). Под тегом "spoiler=" можно размещать до 1 МБ (при этом нужно подписывать объёмы). При объеме более 1 МБ допускаются только ссылки с указанием объема.
Для материнских плат на базе наборов системной логики, отличных от Z170|Z270|Z370|Z390, приобретать память DDR4 с частотой выше 2133 МГц нет смысла, любые более скоростные модули будут принудительно работать на частоте 2133-2666 МГц и только.
Разгон процессоров с заблокированным множителем (Non-K) возможен только семейства Skylake и только путём изменения BCLK ("шины"). ASUS и Gigabyte - со специальными версиями BIOS и только на материнских платах только на Intel Z170 (причём если Вы обновили BIOS на версию с поддержкой Kaby Lake, откат обратно сопряжён с трудностями). ASRock - разгон Skylake Non-K через BCLK доступен только на Z170, как правило, с любыми версиями BIOS (даже с микрокодами под Kaby Lake). Например, ASRock Z170 Extreme 6, BIOS P7.20 и Core i3-6100: http://valid.x86.fr/2k3ymw. MSI - разгон Skylake Non-K через BCLK доступен и на Z170, и на Z270 - через активацию Beta Runner >> NOC: MSI LGA1151 на чипсете Intel Z170/Z270 (Skylake & Kaby Lake) #14960771
Разгон процессоров Kaby Lake и Coffee Lake моделей Non-K недоступен (максимум с 100 до 103-105 МГц по BCLK, да и то - не на всякой плате).
Темы-обсуждения определённых серий материнских плат (список может быть неполным):
Друзья, подскажите, пожалуйста: Z390 AORUS MASTER поддерживает Intel Rapid Storage Technology? На диаграмме чипсета на сайте Интела эта функция указана, как Optional, а на сайте Гигабайта http://www.gigabyte.ru/products/page/mb ... rus_master информации не нашел. Интересует вопрос: можно ли создавать SATA RAID-1 конфигурации? Хочу подключить два недорогих SSD SATA к матери, чтобы с основного M2 SSD бэкапить данные.
Возможно ближайшие 10 дней появится возможность так сказать на одном процессоре сделать тесты: Asus Z390Hero Wi-fi Gigabyte Z390 Master MSI Z390 Meg Ace
Но нужна будет помощь при настройках биоса. Вроде как даже получилось найти 9900K за 550$. Если к тому моменту прийдет процессор, то буду делать тесты на нем. Ну и главная дилемма насчёт своего охлаждения) есть в наличии Corsair H115i Pro, и стоит ли открывать и оставлять себе?) второй вариант это TS140 с двумя вертушками TY140
Спасибо за ответ. А какие настройки в БИОСе имеются по RAIDу у интересующей меня платы? Я все же уточню вопрос: технология Intel Rapid Storage Technology поддерживается в полном объеме?
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А какие настройки в БИОСе имеются по RAIDу у интересующей меня платы?
Все возможные, вы когда то его создавали? вот всё тоже самое + новые плюшки для NVME. Мануал откройте на плату и посмотрите. можно хоть из M.2 создать RAID, хоть из SATA, хоть одновременно для SATA и NVME, в мануале этого не указанно но я знаю что можно.
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Я все же уточню вопрос: технология Intel Rapid Storage Technology поддерживается в полном объеме?
Да, чипсет и биос полностью поддерживают IRST. это любая плата умеет.
Возможно ближайшие 10 дней появится возможность так сказать на одном процессоре сделать тесты: Asus Z390Hero Wi-fi Gigabyte Z390 Master MSI Z390 Meg Ace
Как раз очень интересуют тесты этих материнок. Особенно какие температуры у VRM А то все тесты от разных тестеров и нет объективного мнения сразу же от одного автора по этим платам.
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есть в наличии Corsair H115i Pro
Как раз в пару одной их этих плат присмотрел именно эту двух секционную водянку. По результатам разных тестов она самая производительная и тихая из двух секционных. Было бы очень интересно именно с ней получить тесты этих материнок. Если была бы ещё возможность протестировать эти материнки с Corsair H115i Pro и с Noctua NH-D15 на 9900К
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true. I've had both the Gigabyte Aorus Master and Asus Maximus XI Hero. I wasn't happy with the Max XI, so I returned it and got the Aorus Master. I was far more unhappy with the Aorus Master so it's been returned and I'm going back to the Max XI Hero.
In a real world setup (i.e in a case with airflow), running an 8700k @ 5GHz 1.344v in P95 AVX, the Maximus XI Hero reported VRM temps of 53c-55c. The Aorus Master reported 45-47c. Yes the Asus board is hotter, but nowhere near to the extent that the video claims, which is why I've completely disregarded it. What I'm asking about is HWUnboxed's claims about Asus lying about the VRM setup.
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Сравнение владельца мастера и героя:
true. I've had both the Gigabyte Aorus Master and Asus Maximus XI Hero. I wasn't happy with the Max XI, so I returned it and got the Aorus Master. I was far more unhappy with the Aorus Master so it's been returned and I'm going back to the Max XI Hero.
In a real world setup (i.e in a case with airflow), running an 8700k @ 5GHz 1.344v in P95 AVX, the Maximus XI Hero reported VRM temps of 53c-55c. The Aorus Master reported 45-47c. Yes the Asus board is hotter, but nowhere near to the extent that the video claims, which is why I've completely disregarded it. What I'm asking about is HWUnboxed's claims about Asus lying about the VRM setup.
Что-то непонятно, чем в итоге Aorus Master не удовлетворил владельца.
true. I've had both the Gigabyte Aorus Master and Asus Maximus XI Hero. I wasn't happy with the Max XI, so I returned it and got the Aorus Master. I was far more unhappy with the Aorus Master so it's been returned and I'm going back to the Max XI Hero.
In a real world setup (i.e in a case with airflow), running an 8700k @ 5GHz 1.344v in P95 AVX, the Maximus XI Hero reported VRM temps of 53c-55c. The Aorus Master reported 45-47c. Yes the Asus board is hotter, but nowhere near to the extent that the video claims, which is why I've completely disregarded it. What I'm asking about is HWUnboxed's claims about Asus lying about the VRM setup.
А почему тогда владелец вернулся на Мах XI Hero я не совсем понял что его в гиге то не устроило?
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Вот подробный ответ:
Gigabyte Aorus Master: - AFAIK the Gigabyte board has 2 superio's to control all the fan headers. For some reason if I connected my fans to the headers on the second superio and set the fan curve to hit 100% RPM when running P95, the fans would run at full speed, but then randomly "die" and go to 0 rpm. They would then start themselves back up after 5-15 seconds and follow the correct fan curve as if nothing had happened. Didn't happen with the fans connected through the main superio. Tested with different fans (NZXT AER Ps, Vardars, Noctuas, Fractals) - same deal. I've got no answer for what was going on here. - Gigabyte control center apps (specifically Smart Fan) - A big draw for me to the GB board was that you could control fan headers from GPU temps. I then found out you can't do it through BIOS but have to use the windows app which sucks (might as well use SpeedFan). But I figured I'd give the app a try... It's terrible. It has to calibrate the fans and it would get different calibration results everytime you ran it - and the 100% calibration would always be ~800-1000 rpm for some reason (on 2000RPM Vardars) and 90% would be like 1800 RPM. And then half way through the PWM range it would say 60% - 0 RPM. No gigabyte, running a 60% PWM signal does not result in 0 RPM, c'mon now. I got around the wonky calibrating by first setting the fans to run at 100% using the "auto full speed" profile - the fans would now calibrate properly and I could switch to manual control. However, even though I specified a fan to follow the GPU temp (which it could see in the app) the fan would never change speed no matter how I adjusted the curve/fan settings. After a few restarts the GPU temp option just flat out disappeared from the Smart Fan app so I uninstalled it. - The BIOS is not great. Version F4 is basically a crime against the tech world and is borderline unusable. F5 is much better but still not great at all vs say the Asus BIOS - it's at least usable. - "Meh" memory training on the secondary ram timings. - Onboard audio isn't well isolated - even though they've put a great DAC in there, the isolation isn't great and you can hear interference from the GPU load. No where near as bad as the Taichi, but not as good as the Asus. - Weird frametiming issue in some games and benchmarks - for some reason the Aorus Master would post 400pts less GPU score on the Timespy benchmark than the Taichi or Maximus XI Hero (a 2-4fps lower average fps). It's because the frametimes are absurd for some reason the FPS counter in 3DMark updates very quickly, and it was pinging around so fast you actually couldn't read the number - why is the motherboard having any effect on the GPU frametimes? Tried numerous fresh installs, different driver versions etc, couldn't get rid of it. Went back to the Taichi and problem's gone - FPS counter is absolutely rock solid, correct GPU scores and no micro-stuttering. This is frankly unacceptable and was the main reason I returned it.
Ему и асрок z370 таичи тоже не нравится, да и от асус hero он не в восторге:
A quick overview of my main points of each board:
ASRock Z370 Taichi:
- Pokey VRM heatsink - no VRM temp sensor so no idea what temp it's actually running at. - "Meh" memory training on the secondary ram timings with XMP enabled - Onboard audio is poorly isolated (if you've got a good pair of headphones I hope you like hearing electrical interference from GPU load) - Onboard audio quality seems to deteriorate with high overclocks. 4.7GHz 1.2v everything is fine, 5GHz 1.344v there is a "fizz" to everything - confirmed on my Philips X2s and Senn HD558s. - CPU power draw - I've spoken in depth with ASRock support and BIOS team about this. The Taichi would seem to report much higher CPU wattage than other boards. I had a few special BIOS versions made for me to test, and eventually we got the power draw lowered by ~20w or so ([Beta] 1.61 2018/3/8 CPU TDP watts reading correction.). However power draw is still very high compared to other boards, at 5GHz @ 1.344v in P95 AVX the Taichi pulls a whopping 240-250w, the Aorus Master only pulls 205-215w in the same scenario. Before the BIOS update, the Taichi was reporting close to 300w in this scenario.
Asus Maximus XI Hero:
- Asus Armoury non-sense or whatever it was would insert itself into fresh windows installations which I hate - though I've heard you can now disable this in the BIOS. - The main reason I returned it - there was a very odd hard-freeze that would come up ~1 time every 24 hours. It was completely unrelated to what load the PC was currently under and it happened both at stock and OC. The PC would freeze and soundloop, with other PCs this would just continue until you did a hard reset however if you left it for 10-15 seconds, it would resolve itself and the PC would continue as if nothing happened. I've had it happen while web browsing, during a game - I even had it happen during a Cinebench test and the score was 100% unaffected which means the PC is operating as expected in the background during the "freeze". I contacted Asus support and got the most mindblowingly useless reply so I just returned it. Was it due to premature BIOS? Ram sub timings (I found out side that Asus does some pretty aggressive sub timings) - I'm not sure, but I'm now curious to get another one to see if I had a bad board previously or if there was some other explanation. - Doubts regarding the performance of the VRM setup - in my own testing the temps on the VRMs were great, but there was and still is a lot of doubts in the air about the VRM setup. If I'm spending this much money on a motherboard I want a damn good VRM setup.
Gigabyte Aorus Master: - AFAIK the Gigabyte board has 2 superio's to control all the fan headers. For some reason if I connected my fans to the headers on the second superio and set the fan curve to hit 100% RPM when running P95, the fans would run at full speed, but then randomly "die" and go to 0 rpm. They would then start themselves back up after 5-15 seconds and follow the correct fan curve as if nothing had happened. Didn't happen with the fans connected through the main superio. Tested with different fans (NZXT AER Ps, Vardars, Noctuas, Fractals) - same deal. I've got no answer for what was going on here. - Gigabyte control center apps (specifically Smart Fan) - A big draw for me to the GB board was that you could control fan headers from GPU temps. I then found out you can't do it through BIOS but have to use the windows app which sucks (might as well use SpeedFan). But I figured I'd give the app a try... It's terrible. It has to calibrate the fans and it would get different calibration results everytime you ran it - and the 100% calibration would always be ~800-1000 rpm for some reason (on 2000RPM Vardars) and 90% would be like 1800 RPM. And then half way through the PWM range it would say 60% - 0 RPM. No gigabyte, running a 60% PWM signal does not result in 0 RPM, c'mon now. I got around the wonky calibrating by first setting the fans to run at 100% using the "auto full speed" profile - the fans would now calibrate properly and I could switch to manual control. However, even though I specified a fan to follow the GPU temp (which it could see in the app) the fan would never change speed no matter how I adjusted the curve/fan settings. After a few restarts the GPU temp option just flat out disappeared from the Smart Fan app so I uninstalled it. - The BIOS is not great. Version F4 is basically a crime against the tech world and is borderline unusable. F5 is much better but still not great at all vs say the Asus BIOS - it's at least usable. - "Meh" memory training on the secondary ram timings. - Onboard audio isn't well isolated - even though they've put a great DAC in there, the isolation isn't great and you can hear interference from the GPU load. No where near as bad as the Taichi, but not as good as the Asus. - Weird frametiming issue in some games and benchmarks - for some reason the Aorus Master would post 400pts less GPU score on the Timespy benchmark than the Taichi or Maximus XI Hero (a 2-4fps lower average fps). It's because the frametimes are absurd for some reason the FPS counter in 3DMark updates very quickly, and it was pinging around so fast you actually couldn't read the number - why is the motherboard having any effect on the GPU frametimes? Tried numerous fresh installs, different driver versions etc, couldn't get rid of it. Went back to the Taichi and problem's gone - FPS counter is absolutely rock solid, correct GPU scores and no micro-stuttering. This is frankly unacceptable and was the main reason I returned it.
Ему и асрок z370 таичи тоже не нравится, да и от асус hero он не в восторге:
A quick overview of my main points of each board:
ASRock Z370 Taichi:
- Pokey VRM heatsink - no VRM temp sensor so no idea what temp it's actually running at. - "Meh" memory training on the secondary ram timings with XMP enabled - Onboard audio is poorly isolated (if you've got a good pair of headphones I hope you like hearing electrical interference from GPU load) - Onboard audio quality seems to deteriorate with high overclocks. 4.7GHz 1.2v everything is fine, 5GHz 1.344v there is a "fizz" to everything - confirmed on my Philips X2s and Senn HD558s. - CPU power draw - I've spoken in depth with ASRock support and BIOS team about this. The Taichi would seem to report much higher CPU wattage than other boards. I had a few special BIOS versions made for me to test, and eventually we got the power draw lowered by ~20w or so ([Beta] 1.61 2018/3/8 CPU TDP watts reading correction.). However power draw is still very high compared to other boards, at 5GHz @ 1.344v in P95 AVX the Taichi pulls a whopping 240-250w, the Aorus Master only pulls 205-215w in the same scenario. Before the BIOS update, the Taichi was reporting close to 300w in this scenario.
Asus Maximus XI Hero:
- Asus Armoury non-sense or whatever it was would insert itself into fresh windows installations which I hate - though I've heard you can now disable this in the BIOS. - The main reason I returned it - there was a very odd hard-freeze that would come up ~1 time every 24 hours. It was completely unrelated to what load the PC was currently under and it happened both at stock and OC. The PC would freeze and soundloop, with other PCs this would just continue until you did a hard reset however if you left it for 10-15 seconds, it would resolve itself and the PC would continue as if nothing happened. I've had it happen while web browsing, during a game - I even had it happen during a Cinebench test and the score was 100% unaffected which means the PC is operating as expected in the background during the "freeze". I contacted Asus support and got the most mindblowingly useless reply so I just returned it. Was it due to premature BIOS? Ram sub timings (I found out side that Asus does some pretty aggressive sub timings) - I'm not sure, but I'm now curious to get another one to see if I had a bad board previously or if there was some other explanation. - Doubts regarding the performance of the VRM setup - in my own testing the temps on the VRMs were great, but there was and still is a lot of doubts in the air about the VRM setup. If I'm spending this much money on a motherboard I want a damn good VRM setup.
Да уж - проблемы с треском и помехами в аудиоканале, дикий геммор в настройке вентилей в аорус мастер, зависания в максимусе херо и так далее. Чет ему или капитально не повезло с материнками или там реально геммор какой то. Что то подожду наверное пока отлижут биосы в 390х, ну его нафик пока покупать.
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Не знаю,как на интеле, а на райзене "замирание" изображения бывает когда мало напряжения на цп. Картинка замирает на пару сек, но комп работает. Лечится поднятием напряжения на шаг-два, или LLC. Может он просто вкорячил свои предыдущие настройки без тестирования, и теперь ругается?
Тестили три платы: Asus XI Hero WiFi, Gigabyte Z390 Master, ASRock Z390 Taichi Ultimate. Если коротко то так:
1. Если только для разгона Cpu ( в нашем случае разгоняли 5GHz Core/ 4.8GHz Uncore) и память до 4133 то лучше брать Asus XI Hero WiFi - есть возможность разгона в Адаптивном режиме ( у ASRock только Offset Mod или Fixed Mod ), и вторичные а так же третичные тайминги можно очень хорошо зажимать что очень влияет на производительность. НО! - память на зажатых таймингах стабильна лишь до 4133 CL 17-17-17-32 (тут надо подчеркнуть - тестили при двух модулях памяти - 8Gb x 2, на четырёх модулях - 8Gb x 4 можно разгонять до стабильных 4266 CL17, сказывается Т-Topology технология).
2. ДА - на Gigabyte Z390 Master действительно холоднее VRM( на 9С чем у Asusa) нo разгонять на ней память при хороших таймингах выше 4000 MHz можно забыть, тут без вариантов. Есть адаптивный режим разгона которого нет на ASRock
3. ASRock Z390 Taichi Ultimate - разгон Cpu без проблем ( но повторюсь, только в Offset Mod или Fixed Mod), память разгоняется 1 в 1 как и на Z370 Taichi Все те же значения...
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Можно и на 4500 MHz но тогда Vcore пришлось поднимать на +0.16mV ( а также и VCCIO и VSA на 1.315/1.290).
Как по мне так лучший остаётся Asus так как и проц и память гоняться без проблем если не считать что разгоняя память нужно запастись терпением так как начиная с 4000 частоты на таймингах ниже CL18 плата имеет проблемы со стартом (тестили и на не официальном биосе от asus тоже). Вот такое заключение, надеюсь кому то будет полезна информация.
Что толку от прекрасной технической составляющей если никогда невозможно раскрыть все технические возможности платы из за биоса? - никакого. Важен всегда и везде результат а не вид или возможности, достаточно взглянуть на таблицы почти что всех бенчмарков и станет всё намного яснее. Всё остальное это заслуга отделов маркетинга, у одного бренда он лучше работает у другого нет
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